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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:10.0]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[RazorBrain]
PW[Tsurukame]
DT[2003-08-23]
PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
KM[0.5]
RU[Japanese]
BR[10k]
WR[7d]

C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: have a nice game
RazorBrain [10k?\]: thank you
]CA[UTF-8];B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[dc]CR[dc]

(;B[de]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: what about this?
RazorBrain [10k?\]: I know a lot hangs on the first few moves
RazorBrain [10k?\]: but I think I am playing but gut feel in the
opening rather than by solid principle
RazorBrain [10k?\]: I played D15 to retain sente and getinto that
corner
RazorBrain [10k?\]: comments?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: there are some principles indeed
Tsurukame [7d?\]: D15 is not sente
RazorBrain [10k?\]: :)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: because if white ignores it
Tsurukame [7d?\]: there is no storng next move
]CR[de]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[oq]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay 
]CR[oq]
;W[qf]CR[qf]

(;B[qi]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this was a very good move
Tsurukame [7d?\]: extension and pincer
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this R11 is the best
Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this feels like the best balance
]CR[qi]
;W[qc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: do you know any variations of this joseki?
RazorBrain [10k?\]: i extended to Q16 to add strength there
RazorBrain [10k?\]: no I have not studied any joseki
Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok
RazorBrain [10k?\]: only what I have experienced
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is not easy at all
]CR[qc]

(;B[pd]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: I felt it might have been too loose
Tsurukame [7d?\]: no, it was quite ok
]CR[pd]
;W[qd]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: white A next is hane at the head of your 2 stones
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so you had to take that yourself
RazorBrain [10k?\]: ah I actually considered A and then chose
to extend
Tsurukame [7d?\]: that was the right way
]LB[pe:A]
CR[qd]

(;B[ld]CR[ld]
;W[fd]CR[fd]

(;B[ch]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this move
RazorBrain [10k?\]: do you recommend trying differetn openings
when learning
Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes!
RazorBrain [10k?\]: or trying the same one as black until you
figure it out
RazorBrain [10k?\]: sayt eh fit 5 moves or so
Tsurukame [7d?\]: the best is to play openings you like
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so you feel good
RazorBrain [10k?\]: I used to play double 4-4
Tsurukame [7d?\]: if you like only one opening, play that
RazorBrain [10k?\]: but I grew tired of later corner 3-3 invasions
:)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)
RazorBrain [10k?\]: I was not comfortable with this move
Tsurukame [7d?\]: play the moves that makes you feel good
RazorBrain [10k?\]: it feels clumsy
]CR[ch]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[ce]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes
Tsurukame [7d?\]: it looks narrow now for an extension
RazorBrain [10k?\]: so D15 was not good. 
Tsurukame [7d?\]: no, D15 was ok
Tsurukame [7d?\]: C12 was not good
]CR[ce]
;W[pe]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: Q15!
Tsurukame [7d?\]: when i get this point, your shape is not very
good
RazorBrain [10k?\]: right
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is a vital point
RazorBrain [10k?\]: I have this happen to me alot
Tsurukame [7d?\]: not only making my shape strong
Tsurukame [7d?\]: but also blocking your 2 stones
RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes two for one for you!
Tsurukame [7d?\]: there is a proverb "play hane at the head of
2 stones"
RazorBrain [10k?\]: Iam on the defensive now
]CR[pe]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[of]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: now i'm getting a nice position
RazorBrain [10k?\]: I want to figure out which moves are the mistakes
and which are the inevitable continuations from mistakes
RazorBrain [10k?\]: so I can focus on correcting
RazorBrain [10k?\]: thanks
Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok
]CR[of]
;B[ne]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes
Tsurukame [7d?\]: here you had no other way
]CR[ne]
;W[jq]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: and I am forced to give you even a better
one to defend poor shape, right?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: right
Tsurukame [7d?\]: only because you let me play Q15
RazorBrain [10k?\]: right!
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this K3 was at the border of our areas
Tsurukame [7d?\]: such a move is very big
]CR[jq]
;B[cl]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: same for this
Tsurukame [7d?\]: exopanding yours and reducing mine
RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes I felt I had to help the top right stines
too
Tsurukame [7d?\]: very good
]CR[cl]

;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[oi]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: very good again
]CR[oi]
;W[ng]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: thanks
]CR[ng]
;B[lg]CR[lg]
;W[lb]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: not here though
Tsurukame [7d?\]: i decided to take away your base
Tsurukame [7d?\]: M13 was ok
RazorBrain [10k?\]: N17 was clumsy I think
]CR[lb]
;B[mb]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: N18...
]CR[mb]
;W[mc]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: sorry yes 
]CR[mc]

(;B[nc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: you tried to make an eyeshape in the game
]CR[nc]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[lc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: but it gave me control over the top side area
]CR[lc]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[jd]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: i have the top now
Tsurukame [7d?\]: and you're weak in that area
]CR[jd]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[ec]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes
]CR[ec]
;B[fe]CR[fe]

;W[gd]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this was a good idea
Tsurukame [7d?\]: forced me to defend the top
]CR[gd]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[kf]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: but now i have a chance to attack
]CR[kf]
;B[lf]CR[lf]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[od]CR[od]

;W[po]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: I also wanted the thickness projecting towards
my other two stones on the left
Tsurukame [7d?\]: very good
Tsurukame [7d?\]: that made the marked moves very good
Tsurukame [7d?\]: here you made a mistake letting me play R5
Tsurukame [7d?\]: Q5 is a reducing move
RazorBrain [10k?\]: I'm sorry where was the mistake
]TR[ge][fe][ed]
CR[po]

(;B[pm]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: Q7
RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay
]CR[pm]
;W[qo]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is very big
Tsurukame [7d?\]: you let me play R5
RazorBrain [10k?\]: gotcha
Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok
]CR[qo]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[no]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: I should have played R5
]CR[no]
;B[mp]CR[mp]
;W[nm]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: right
Tsurukame [7d?\]: now the game is easy for white
RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes I see now Q7 is under attack
Tsurukame [7d?\]: i have lots of cash at the top left and right
and bottom
Tsurukame [7d?\]: from here a battle started and you played very
well
RazorBrain [10k?\]: thank you
Tsurukame [7d?\]: we will stop here today
RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay I will review the game record later and
have other questions ready for next time if I have any
Tsurukame [7d?\]: please review this and if you find some more
unclear things, ask me next time
Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok
Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)
RazorBrain [10k?\]: :)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: you can save the file
RazorBrain [10k?\]: One sec
Tsurukame [7d?\]: options>save to disk
Tsurukame [7d?\]: when shall we meet next?
]CR[nm]
;B[on]CR[on]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]

;W[np]CR[np]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[nl]CR[nl]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[qk]CR[qk]

;W[mk]CR[mk]
;B[ll]CR[ll]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[so]CR[so]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[rl]CR[rl]

;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[ln]CR[ln]
;B[lj]CR[lj]
;W[lk]CR[lk]
;B[kk]CR[kk]
;W[kj]CR[kj]
;B[ki]CR[ki]
;W[jj]CR[jj]
;B[mh]CR[mh]

;W[em]CR[em]
;B[ek]CR[ek]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[fm]CR[fm]
;W[fl]CR[fl]
;B[el]CR[el]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[dn]CR[dn]

;W[do]CR[do]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[bn]CR[bn]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[gj]CR[gj]
;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[be]CR[be]

;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[af]CR[af]
;W[ad]CR[ad]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[lr]CR[lr]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[qg]CR[qg]

;W[sg]CR[sg]
;B[sh]CR[sh]
;W[sf]CR[sf]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[gi]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: we can stop here and comment
RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay
Tsurukame [7d?\]: not bad at all!
RazorBrain [10k?\]: thanks you that was very enjoyable
Tsurukame [7d?\]: your questions first
Tsurukame [7d?\]: control is yours
RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay
RazorBrain [10k?\]: I haven't used the KGS editor much. hang on
Tsurukame [7d?\]: oh..
Tsurukame [7d?\]: let me do the review then
Tsurukame [7d?\]: you can learn until next meeting
]CR[gi]
)
(;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[np]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: better attack me this way
RazorBrain [10k?\]: Q5?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: and have some cash too
]CR[np]
))
(;B[lc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: you could cut her4
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this exchange was maybe better
]CR[lc]
;W[nb]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: actually I was trying to protect the cutting
point atP16 and get out to the middle
]CR[nb]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[ma]CR[ma]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[jd]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: =now my next move were salvaging my position
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is playable
Tsurukame [7d?\]: P16 is not so important
Tsurukame [7d?\]: you can let me have 2 stones
]CR[jd]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[lq]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: unimportant stones!
RazorBrain [10k?\]: but what about the territory in that corner
RazorBrain [10k?\]: losing the 2 stones seem s to give a lot away
Tsurukame [7d?\]: it didn;t increase that much
Tsurukame [7d?\]: 2 stones are 4 points
Tsurukame [7d?\]: for that points you destroyed the top and got
to play first at the bottom
Tsurukame [7d?\]: i think it's not a bad exchange
RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay
Tsurukame [7d?\]: comparted to the game
]CR[lq]
))
(;B[cc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: have you ever tried this contact?
RazorBrain [10k?\]: no
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this was better
]CR[cc]

(;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[dd]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: though the pro game I am working on used it
Tsurukame [7d?\]: white can't cut
RazorBrain [10k?\]: why
]CR[dd]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[cb]CR[cb]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[ed]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is good for black
Tsurukame [7d?\]: white's F16 is not doing any good now
RazorBrain [10k?\]: because of what it does for the top
RazorBrain [10k?\]: ??
Tsurukame [7d?\]: and the corner is small
RazorBrain [10k?\]: and white is heavy in the corner
Tsurukame [7d?\]: right
Tsurukame [7d?\]: black must be confident this is good
RazorBrain [10k?\]: interesting
]CR[ed]
)
(;W[cb]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: so white must play here
RazorBrain [10k?\]: in both cases we are sacrificing a stone to
build something on the other side
Tsurukame [7d?\]: if you knew this, you would have played C17,
right?
]CR[cb]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[eb]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: right I forgot
]CR[eb]
;B[ch]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: :)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: because this looks better than the game
Tsurukame [7d?\]: try this C17 next time
Tsurukame [7d?\]: remember that it's the best move
RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay
RazorBrain [10k?\]: can I ask a quation about D15?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so even if you'll lose at the beginning, you'll
learn the right move
Tsurukame [7d?\]: sure
Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok
]CR[ch]
)))
(;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[ld]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: better
]CR[ld]
;W[pl]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes
Tsurukame [7d?\]: and i invade here next
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this was a possible way, better for you than
the game
RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay
]CR[pl]
))
(;
AB[jd]

AE[de]

C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: :)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: if you had a stone at K16 already played
];B[pd]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: then Q16 makes sense
]CR[pd]
;W[qd]CR[qd]
;B[pe]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: you build a wall and the extension is there
Tsurukame [7d?\]: see what i mean?
RazorBrain [10k?\]: I think I did it backwards
Tsurukame [7d?\]: right
]CR[pe]
)
(;B[qd]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes
Tsurukame [7d?\]: another move was this one
Tsurukame [7d?\]: ever seen it?
RazorBrain [10k?\]: no
]CR[qd]
;W[pd]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: I would have feared the cross cut from a stronger
player
Tsurukame [7d?\]: the cut here is natural
RazorBrain [10k?\]: then I panic!
Tsurukame [7d?\]: right
Tsurukame [7d?\]: cross cut leads to complications
RazorBrain [10k?\]: absolutely
Tsurukame [7d?\]: but here was the best move 
Tsurukame [7d?\]: try to remember this sequence
]CR[pd]
;B[rc]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay
Tsurukame [7d?\]: atari on the corner first
]CR[rc]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[pe]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: then on the outside stone
]CR[pe]
;W[od]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: white must defend
RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes
]CR[od]
;B[qe]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: then connect
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is a joseki
Tsurukame [7d?\]: next s18 is very big
]CR[qe]
;W[rb]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this way your stones are working better at building
on the right side
]CR[rb]
;B[md]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is a difficult move
]CR[md]

;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[pf]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: inducing Q14
RazorBrain [10k?\]: k
Tsurukame [7d?\]: and aiming to use Q17
]CR[pf]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[kd]CR[kd]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[fc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this was a more positive way
Tsurukame [7d?\]: you had to think of developing the right side,
and this was the way to do that
RazorBrain [10k?\]: so build srength on the right, sacrificeQ17
Tsurukame [7d?\]: right
RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes that is better
]CR[fc]
))
(;B[qk]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: I thought about R11 too
Tsurukame [7d?\]: if this, which feels tight, then it's a loose
pincer
]CR[qk]
)
(;B[qh]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this one is possible too
RazorBrain [10k?\]: I meant R10
]CR[qh]
)
(;B[qj]
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: But good I'm glad I did something right:)
]CR[qj]
))
(;B[ce]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: if low (3rd line) instead
]CR[ce]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[ed]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this next must be answered
Tsurukame [7d?\]: and white will get a low position
]CR[ed]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[fd]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: so, in terms of sente, C15 is "more" sente than
D15
RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay
]CR[fd]
))