(
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C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: have a nice game

RazorBrain [10k?\]: The League room is a good idea!

RazorBrain [10k?\]: thanks, you 2

]
PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
DT[2003-09-03]
BR[10k]
WR[7d]
PB[RazorBrain]
PW[Tsurukame]
KM[0.50]
SZ[19]
RU[Japanese]
ST[2]
AP[CGoban:2]
CA[UTF-8]
FF[4]
GM[1]
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: I need 1 minute

Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok

RazorBrain [10k?\]: thanks

Tsurukame [7d?\]: i want your questions first

Tsurukame [7d?\]: control is yours

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I feel good about this move :)

Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)

]
CR[qp]
B[qp]
;
CR[dq]
W[dq]
;
CR[pc]
B[pc]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: you want to have a general discussion about opening? or about this game?

RazorBrain [10k?\]: general I think

Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok

RazorBrain [10k?\]: but this game raises a few questions for me

Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok, please

RazorBrain [10k?\]: this is the same as our first game

RazorBrain [10k?\]: So I tried a low approach

]
CR[dc]
W[dc]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: sure

RazorBrain [10k?\]: the third move by black seems critical

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

RazorBrain [10k?\]: How do you decide between an approach and a shimari

RazorBrain [10k?\]: and if you approach

RazorBrain [10k?\]: where to do it

Tsurukame [7d?\]: just a question of mood

Tsurukame [7d?\]: you can try them all

Tsurukame [7d?\]: in different games

Tsurukame [7d?\]: and you'll see all are ok

RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay

Tsurukame [7d?\]: in this case

Tsurukame [7d?\]: P3 is a good move

Tsurukame [7d?\]: because if w attacks at Q15

Tsurukame [7d?\]: you can play a pincer which is extension froom the shimari as well

RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes

Tsurukame [7d?\]: i mean b P3, ok?

RazorBrain [10k?\]: right

Tsurukame [7d?\]: so this is a simple plan

Tsurukame [7d?\]: C15 leads to a different game

Tsurukame [7d?\]: it separates white 

Tsurukame [7d?\]: and reduces more than building

Tsurukame [7d?\]: so it's just another plan

RazorBrain [10k?\]: How much do you try to plan before the game starts

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I seem to do mine on the fly :(

Tsurukame [7d?\]: before the game?

RazorBrain [10k?\]: or in the first 4 moves

Tsurukame [7d?\]: at the first moves i have some favourites openings

Tsurukame [7d?\]: so i play one of them

Tsurukame [7d?\]: then will have to adapt

Tsurukame [7d?\]: every game is different

RazorBrain [10k?\]: because they lead to a game that is comfortable for your style?

Tsurukame [7d?\]: right

Tsurukame [7d?\]: and it gives me confidence

Tsurukame [7d?\]: which is extremely important

RazorBrain [10k?\]: indeed

Tsurukame [7d?\]: if you feel bad in a certain position you can't play well

Tsurukame [7d?\]: because the game is anyway very complex

RazorBrain [10k?\]: how do you get your confidence up playing white against a strong black player

RazorBrain [10k?\]: yeah I know the feeling from today

Tsurukame [7d?\]: i play simple so he can't lead the game

Tsurukame [7d?\]: as white i play 2 hoshi

RazorBrain [10k?\]: ??what do you mena

RazorBrain [10k?\]: hoshi?

Tsurukame [7d?\]: paralel fuseki

Tsurukame [7d?\]: hoshi=star point

RazorBrain [10k?\]: so if I appraoch you approach

Tsurukame [7d?\]: paralel means like here

Tsurukame [7d?\]: we take 2 adjacent corners each

RazorBrain [10k?\]: you mean you will play 2 4-4 points to maintain flexibility

RazorBrain [10k?\]: oh

Tsurukame [7d?\]: and usually i play 2 star points

RazorBrain [10k?\]: rather than offering a game where black can take opposite corners

Tsurukame [7d?\]: right

Tsurukame [7d?\]: as white you must keep your stones together

Tsurukame [7d?\]: because you're one less

RazorBrain [10k?\]: and you do that to keep the game simple

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay I can see where opposite corner oppenings would be even more complex

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

Tsurukame [7d?\]: of coourse complex can be fun

RazorBrain [10k?\]: :)

RazorBrain [10k?\]: that is actually why we all love this game, I think

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes... its diversity

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I must go today. Thank you for the lesson. I look forward to the legue this month

Tsurukame [7d?\]: thank you too Tom

Tsurukame [7d?\]: and good luck

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I will send another payment about the 20th is that okay

Tsurukame [7d?\]: sure

RazorBrain [10k?\]: also

RazorBrain [10k?\]: can I get the game records from you for the study groups

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I have been struggling to attend but would like to review them

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes, just email me and i email you back

RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay. Thanks!

RazorBrain [10k?\]: good by for now

Tsurukame [7d?\]: have a nice day

Tsurukame [7d?\]: bye

]
CR[ce]
B[ce]
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: you countered here. okay

]
CR[pe]
W[pe]
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: I'm happy to this point

RazorBrain [10k?\]: Is the Shimari here okay

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

]
CR[oq]
B[oq]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok

Tsurukame [7d?\]: R13

]
CR[cn]
W[cn]
(
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: I wondered about where to play this pincer

Tsurukame [7d?\]: that's a difficult question, yet simple

Tsurukame [7d?\]: nobody knows if there is a best hasamu

Tsurukame [7d?\]: *hasami

Tsurukame [7d?\]: so every hasami is ok

RazorBrain [10k?\]: hasamu? = Pincer

Tsurukame [7d?\]: hasami=pincer

RazorBrain [10k?\]: :)

Tsurukame [7d?\]: sometimes it's easy to choose

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I liked this because it is srengthen by by lower corner stones

Tsurukame [7d?\]: if there are many stones nearby

Tsurukame [7d?\]: right

Tsurukame [7d?\]: this looks ok in relation with the bottom-right

RazorBrain [10k?\]: what other options would you suggest for this situation instead of Q12

]
CR[ph]
B[ph]
;
CR[md]
W[md]
(
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: I feel this could have been one of the worst moves of my life :)

Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I considered R15

Tsurukame [7d?\]: i see

Tsurukame [7d?\]: do you know P15?

RazorBrain [10k?\]: but what ever was right, I feel that all of my problems on the top began by letting you have another move in the top right corner

Tsurukame [7d?\]: right

RazorBrain [10k?\]: no

Tsurukame [7d?\]: ignoring N16 is unusual

Tsurukame [7d?\]: and leads to a strong attack on the corner

Tsurukame [7d?\]: P15 is the normal move for black

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I never did recover

RazorBrain [10k?\]: lets try that

Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok

]
CR[jp]
B[jp]
;
CR[qc]
W[qc]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: you should look a joseki data base

Tsurukame [7d?\]: for that move, after this

RazorBrain [10k?\]: outnumbered 3-1 I wasn't sure what to do

Tsurukame [7d?\]: i mean after the lesson

Tsurukame [7d?\]: instead of this R16

Tsurukame [7d?\]: R18 ws better

RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay I will look it up

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I thought about it but still wanted to split your stones

Tsurukame [7d?\]: a defensive move is needed

RazorBrain [10k?\]: but this obviously wasn;t the way

Tsurukame [7d?\]: hard to fight here

RazorBrain [10k?\]: yep

RazorBrain [10k?\]: And I have this game record to prove it:)

Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)

]
CR[qd]
B[qd]
;
CR[pd]
W[pd]
;
CR[qb]
B[qb]
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: I simply felt trapped at this point

RazorBrain [10k?\]: nearly desperate

Tsurukame [7d?\]: nothing works

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I'm afraid I didn't play well from this point on especially

RazorBrain [10k?\]: exactly

RazorBrain [10k?\]: should I just have bailed out of this corner at this point

Tsurukame [7d?\]: what you did in the game was the best

Tsurukame [7d?\]: until a bit later

RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay

RazorBrain [10k?\]: let's go on then

]
CR[rc]
W[rc]
;
CR[oc]
B[oc]
;
CR[rb]
W[rb]
;
CR[mc]
B[mc]
;
CR[lc]
W[lc]
(
;
CR[nd]
B[nd]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: you had to play M16 then M18

]
CR[ne]
W[ne]
(
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: And I played LL17

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

]
CR[ld]
B[ld]
;
CR[me]
W[me]
(
;
CR[kc]
B[kc]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: here

RazorBrain [10k?\]: this did not work well

Tsurukame [7d?\]: right

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I've left my black corner group in trouble

RazorBrain [10k?\]: and the two outside stones are weak and feel like a liability

]
CR[lb]
W[lb]
;
CR[mb]
B[mb]
;
CR[kb]
W[kb]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: there was a chance later

RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes I was feeling desperate and it shows

RazorBrain [10k?\]: was L16 better here?

Tsurukame [7d?\]: same in this case

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I felt you still would have playedK16

RazorBrain [10k?\]: K17

RazorBrain [10k?\]: sorry

Tsurukame [7d?\]: right

RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay

Tsurukame [7d?\]: so no difference

]
CR[jd]
B[jd]
;
CR[jc]
W[jc]
;
CR[kd]
B[kd]
;
CR[ic]
W[ic]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: sorry

Tsurukame [7d?\]: was kicked out

]
CR[id]
B[id]
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: no worries

]
CR[hc]
W[hc]
(
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: here

Tsurukame [7d?\]: what if P16 instead?

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I didn't want to run out too far

]
CR[gd]
B[gd]
;
CR[hd]
W[hd]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)

]
CR[he]
B[he]
;
CR[ge]
W[ge]
;
CR[fe]
B[fe]
;
CR[gf]
W[gf]
;
CR[if]
B[if]
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: ???

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I felt pretty bad at this point :-|

RazorBrain [10k?\]: not prety

]
CR[fd]
W[fd]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: sorry?

Tsurukame [7d?\]: split i many parts

RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes

Tsurukame [7d?\]: already a had game

RazorBrain [10k?\]: and I have two very weak groups for you to chase

Tsurukame [7d?\]: *hard

RazorBrain [10k?\]: Yes I thought about starting the review here :)

Tsurukame [7d?\]: right

Tsurukame [7d?\]: i wanted to see if you can find P16

RazorBrain [10k?\]: can we spend a few minutes talking about the opening some more

Tsurukame [7d?\]: that's why i continued

Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok

RazorBrain [10k?\]: gotcha

]
CR[ee]
B[ee]
;
CR[ed]
W[ed]
;
CR[dd]
B[dd]
;
CR[cc]
W[cc]
;
CR[cj]
B[cj]
;
CR[hf]
W[hf]
;
CR[jf]
B[jf]
;
CR[hh]
W[hh]
;
CR[jh]
B[jh]
;
CR[df]
W[df]
;
CR[de]
B[de]
;
CR[cg]
W[cg]
;
CR[cf]
B[cf]
;
CR[dg]
W[dg]
;
CR[bc]
B[bc]
;
CR[bb]
W[bb]
;
CR[bd]
B[bd]
;
CR[bh]
W[bh]
;
CR[ab]
B[ab]
;
CR[cb]
W[cb]
;
CR[af]
B[af]
;
CR[bf]
W[bf]
;
CR[be]
B[be]
;
CR[bg]
W[bg]
;
CR[ec]
B[ec]
;
CR[fc]
W[fc]
;
CR[eb]
B[eb]
;
CR[fb]
W[fb]
;
CR[qa]
B[qa]
;
CR[od]
W[od]
;
CR[nc]
B[nc]
;
CR[ma]
W[ma]
;
CR[gq]
B[gq]
;
CR[pl]
W[pl]
;
CR[qk]
B[qk]
;
CR[ql]
W[ql]
;
CR[rk]
B[rk]
;
CR[pk]
W[pk]
;
CR[pj]
B[pj]
;
CR[oj]
W[oj]
;
CR[oi]
B[oi]
;
CR[qj]
W[qj]
;
CR[pi]
B[pi]
;
CR[rj]
W[rj]
;
CR[nj]
B[nj]
;
CR[ok]
W[ok]
;
CR[qe]
B[qe]
;
CR[qf]
W[qf]
;
CR[pf]
B[pf]
;
CR[oe]
W[oe]
;
CR[rf]
B[rf]
;
CR[qg]
W[qg]
;
CR[rg]
B[rg]
;
CR[re]
W[re]
;
CR[qh]
B[qh]
;
CR[rd]
W[rd]
;
CR[ri]
B[ri]
;
CR[rl]
W[rl]
;
CR[nk]
B[nk]
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: sorry to be so slow. very frustrating today . . . 

Tsurukame [7d?\]: no problem being slow

Tsurukame [7d?\]: i think we better stop here and take a look

RazorBrain [10k?\]: please

Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok

RazorBrain [10k?\]: this is miserable :(

]
CR[dk]
W[dk]
)
(
;
CR[od]
B[od]
(
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: push out

]
CR[pb]
W[pb]
;
CR[oe]
B[oe]
;
CR[of]
W[of]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

]
CR[pf]
B[pf]
;
CR[qe]
W[qe]
;
CR[nf]
B[nf]
;
CR[og]
W[og]
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: ??

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I saw only Q16 and thought about dying

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I need to learn to push like this

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

Tsurukame [7d?\]: white can't ignore P16

]
CR[mf]
B[mf]
)
(
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: right

Tsurukame [7d?\]: must defend

Tsurukame [7d?\]: then black? can he live at the top?

]
CR[oe]
W[oe]
(
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: I think so

RazorBrain [10k?\]: O18 looks key

Tsurukame [7d?\]: w O18

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

]
CR[pa]
B[pa]
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: hmmm

RazorBrain [10k?\]: perhaps b needed O18 instead of Q19

Tsurukame [7d?\]: no

Tsurukame [7d?\]: Q19 is correct

Tsurukame [7d?\]: and can live now

RazorBrain [10k?\]: hhmmm 1 sec

Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I don't want w to connect atN19

Tsurukame [7d?\]: why? :)

RazorBrain [10k?\]: where would I get a second eye?

Tsurukame [7d?\]: instead of this play M19 sente first

RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay

Tsurukame [7d?\]: black Q19 at M19

]
CR[nb]
W[nb]
;
CR[ob]
B[ob]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: connect

Tsurukame [7d?\]: see now?

Tsurukame [7d?\]: there is a weak point at K18

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I see that the group is dead

Tsurukame [7d?\]: b O17

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I looked briefly at that

]
CR[ma]
W[ma]
;
CR[nc]
B[nc]
;
CR[na]
W[na]
;
CR[oa]
B[oa]
;
CR[la]
W[la]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

RazorBrain [10k?\]: Tom needs to look deeper:)

Tsurukame [7d?\]: you had another way

RazorBrain [10k?\]: That is why my ladder died on Saturday!

Tsurukame [7d?\]: go back to Q19

Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)

]
CR[jb]
B[jb]
)
(
;
CR[la]
B[la]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: and now Q19

]
CR[jb]
W[jb]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: no weakness now

RazorBrain [10k?\]: right

Tsurukame [7d?\]: so you could still live

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I didn't see the sente move at M19

RazorBrain [10k?\]: didn't look hard enough

Tsurukame [7d?\]: M19 is often useful

Tsurukame [7d?\]: when sente

RazorBrain [10k?\]: but yes this follows what I have read about how to make life

Tsurukame [7d?\]: so this was stil ok

RazorBrain [10k?\]: sahll we go on then

RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes

Tsurukame [7d?\]: but gote and white very strong ooutside

RazorBrain [10k?\]: true

RazorBrain [10k?\]: but that was the price of K4

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

Tsurukame [7d?\]: good

Tsurukame [7d?\]: let's continue

RazorBrain [10k?\]: In the game I paid the price and through in interest as well:)

]
CR[pa]
B[pa]
)
)
)
)
(
;
CR[lb]
B[lb]
;
CR[kc]
W[kc]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is all you can do

Tsurukame [7d?\]: maybe painful to live like this

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I would have been content with this

RazorBrain [10k?\]: but feeling like the group was gone really unsettled me

RazorBrain [10k?\]: and things only got worse

Tsurukame [7d?\]: i know...

Tsurukame [7d?\]: you tried more than this, that's why

]
CR[kb]
B[kb]
)
)
(
;
CR[lb]
B[lb]
)
)
(
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: ??

RazorBrain [10k?\]: thenO16

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I'm not sure about this 

Tsurukame [7d?\]: O16 was ok

Tsurukame [7d?\]: but in order to live

]
CR[mb]
B[mb]
)
)
(
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

Tsurukame [7d?\]: w P14 normally

]
CR[oe]
B[oe]
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: then ah

Tsurukame [7d?\]: b O15

]
CR[of]
W[of]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: you saw this maybe before?

RazorBrain [10k?\]: no

Tsurukame [7d?\]: w Q16

RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes this does not look comforatble for white

Tsurukame [7d?\]: right

]
CR[ne]
B[ne]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: his stones are split

Tsurukame [7d?\]: b O17

]
CR[pd]
W[pd]
;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: w R17

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I likethat black shape

Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes

RazorBrain [10k?\]: but I never would have played it :)

Tsurukame [7d?\]: strong yet flexible

RazorBrain [10k?\]: yes

RazorBrain [10k?\]: so when I thought about R15

RazorBrain [10k?\]: that was to passive

Tsurukame [7d?\]: a bit, yes

RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay

]
CR[nc]
B[nc]
)
)
(
;
C[RazorBrain [10k?\]: okay

RazorBrain [10k?\]: why

Tsurukame [7d?\]: different one and different continuations

Tsurukame [7d?\]: on this attack Q15

Tsurukame [7d?\]: there are some well developed josekis

Tsurukame [7d?\]: the most of these are using R13 and Q12

Tsurukame [7d?\]: if b Q13 or R12 there is little research made

RazorBrain [10k?\]: I look them up then after this

RazorBrain [10k?\]: can we go back to C15 for a minute

]
CR[qg]
B[qg]
;
W[ph]
)
)